tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post8628240936504633268..comments2022-10-19T07:38:51.527+13:00Comments on The Dice Odyssey: The First Whisper of Spring: Wood Elves in MayRunicmadhamsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-23633476505428698602014-03-30T12:39:16.830+13:002014-03-30T12:39:16.830+13:00I have the 4th (?) ed Wood Elf book where Dryads g...I have the 4th (?) ed Wood Elf book where Dryads got fighting forms that made grown men cry. Things like reducing the opponents attacks by one to a minimum of zero, and adding extra toughness would have made them horrifying to face.<br /><br />I do think ASF, better Forest Spirit ward save, a redone lore of Athel Loren and access to all 8 rule book lores are the only givens (If DARK elves can use the lore of LIGHT then why cant wood elves?). The good news is that GW cant make Wood Elves worse, it can only get better.Runicmadhamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-60136938547412281752014-03-30T12:00:38.583+13:002014-03-30T12:00:38.583+13:00Also look at Storm of Magic for clues. Sadly Storm...Also look at Storm of Magic for clues. Sadly Storm of Magic "fixed" all the woodie problems in 8th...growing new forests, moving them onto enemy units (add deepwood sphere for lolz), fortified forests etc etc<br /><br />All that stuff is "GW legal" already = not going to be in the new book- however post Storm of Magic Armybooks have incorporated the monster upgrades from Storm of Magic...could be the shape to come for stags, unicorns etc etc<br /><br />This is also where the stag knights rumour comes from too...Joelatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267751235327398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-81457748276870641602014-03-30T11:50:49.722+13:002014-03-30T11:50:49.722+13:00You have to remember that it was only the core rul...You have to remember that it was only the core rule mechanic changes in 8th that turned the woodies into a shooting army (thank goodness for glade guard bows!). in 6th and 7th they were a lethal combat army. The rules meant that skirmish infantry that struck hard (ie enough to kill 5 models) would dominate R&F. Forests slowing movement and blocking LOS made treesinging a super powerful spell - especially as a bound that went off automatically (hence the price increase for an Ancient who also took up a rare slot...it was soooooo worth it - add nettlings - couldnt refuse challenges back in the day - and call of the hunt FTW). <br /><br />If anything any armybook update will return Woodies to their origins - hit and run combat. Strike hard, strike fast, but don't particularly want to get stuck in a steadfast FTW grind. The rise and rise of Monsterous Calv has changed that a little bit, so I suspect Woodies will get a tool to deal with them (other than the current "chaff it up" approach). <br /><br />I think the only given is forest spirit ward becoming a true ward (like the Daemons when their book was last, last updated). and possibly ASF on elves. Other than that it is all up in the air...heck Dryads used to be a special super tank unit, not the core chaffy unit they are today. Add in the old fear and terror mechanics + old limited application BSB re-rolls and woodies were a top table army up until 2007/8ish.<br /><br />There is also the problem of "what to do" - ie the last book kinda reinvented the Woodies and gave them a very distinct character that fluffwise has held its own. Where do you take a book that already has all the character and fluff that it needs (especially for narrative gaming - where GW's focus seems to be)? <br /><br />Joelatronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267751235327398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-28345102522918859782014-03-29T18:55:26.161+13:002014-03-29T18:55:26.161+13:00Rending bows are wishful thinking right now. But r...Rending bows are wishful thinking right now. But remember that Vs horde armies and units they would be ineffective, so an argument could be made for them as undead, tomb kings, orcs and goblins, skaven, ogres (whats that armour stuff?), certain empire builds and demons (who favor ward saves) all wouldn't care for rending bows. Your bow may indeed ignore armour on a 6 but you still need to kill 30 more of us.<br /><br />Now S4 longbows would be effective Vs hordes but ineffective Vs high armour. Both options i presented have counters. But i agree its more likely that we will see re-rolls of one to hit for the Wood Elves prowess. I do think S4 long bows are likely, i think it would go a long way to make wood elves just betterRunicmadhamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-57629846352284168902014-03-29T18:39:06.165+13:002014-03-29T18:39:06.165+13:00Rex, your not getting rending bows. full stop, sec...Rex, your not getting rending bows. full stop, second is S4 at 30" and quick to fire would be broken, what i would reckon is more likely is a S4 bow but at 24",or a S3 bow at 30" with armour piercing. If that is the case i expect the hunting prowess would be re-roll 1's to wound with shooting (would fit with dark elves being the best combatants, wood elves best shots and high elves all rounder).<br /><br />also with the addition of all lores of magic the Eternal guards problems gonna melt away, you will see shadow on every lvl 4 (i can drop toughness and movement, shoot them more and then ASF with S9 Eternal guard? why not)<br /><br />just my two centsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01914345299260418511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-54327399284492883992014-03-29T13:44:19.791+13:002014-03-29T13:44:19.791+13:00I like the choose option, both are legitimate choi...I like the choose option, both are legitimate choices. Runicmadhamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-63250731030861296802014-03-29T13:36:17.769+13:002014-03-29T13:36:17.769+13:00True but there is nothing worse than having your 1...True but there is nothing worse than having your 1+ armour save reduced to nothing. This hurts high armour low toughness models than anything else. <br /><br />Fanatics are the same. When they crashed into my knights they had a 5+/6+ (cant remember now) save to make on a ton of wounds. From a measly fanatic. All dead. I know its only on a roll of 6 but there is nothing worse than having you expensive units die so easily. <br /><br />I wouldnt mind if they could choose to rend or get S4 or get reroll of 1 to hit. Like choose before firing or something. But limit it. That way the high armour guys are getting hit by rending S3, which will make a big difference. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10127782785335814252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-14668819904098981242014-03-29T13:29:03.589+13:002014-03-29T13:29:03.589+13:00Rending Bows. That is funny. The issue is that Arm...Rending Bows. That is funny. The issue is that Armour is a big thing in warhammer. If 20 Empire knights lower their lances at my Glade Guard and may way towards them (like they might do tomorrow) then there isn't a whole lot i can do. If Wood Elves had "Rending Bows" then perhaps the empire commander rethinks going after the Glade Guard, perhaps the unit is some what reduced when it reaches the Glade Guard.<br /><br />Remember in 40k less is more (unless you are nids or orks) so small squads are hurt far more by shots that ignore armourRunicmadhamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16998940858801320118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5350909421320911401.post-12813929630637646502014-03-29T13:23:54.836+13:002014-03-29T13:23:54.836+13:00No please dont give them rending bows. Seriously t...No please dont give them rending bows. Seriously that sucks in 40K, cant be any good in fantasy either. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10127782785335814252noreply@blogger.com